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Fake IDs Seized at Thirds

Hoya Staff Writer

Published: Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Updated: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 17:02

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Popular Georgetown bar Third Edition was searched for underaged drinkers Thursday.

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thirds 2.14.2011

Fake IDs Seized at Thirds

Metropolitan Police Department officers identified 14 underaged drinkers, mostly Georgetown students, in the popular bar Third Edition shortly after midnight on Friday. Full story

Metropolitan Police Department officers identified 14 underaged drinkers, mostly Georgetown students, in the popular bar Third Edition shortly after midnight on Friday.

According to Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner and Representative to the Alcoholic Beverage Regulation Bill Starrels, those identified had used false identification, but he was unsure whether or not any arrests were made.

While the university's Department of Public Safety was not involved in the operation, the names of students charged with underage drinking and use of false identification were reported to the university, according to Associate Director of DPS Joseph Smith.

Starrels said that D.C. area university students in general were the focus of the MPD bust, even if the majority were from nearby Georgetown.

"Thirds is an easy target for many college students, not just from Georgetown," he said. "Georgetown students weren't the only ones in the establishment at the time, but most of them were."

According to an affected student who wished to remain anonymous due to the legal implications of her case, police officers were inside Third Edition asking patrons for their IDs.

She said she was approached by an officer asking for the identification she had presented when requesting entry into the establishment. The officer told the student that if she did not want to be arrested, then she needed to provide information about where she had obtained the identification. The officer then asked the student for her campus address and cell phone number when she could not provide the source of her fake ID.

A second student in Third Edition Thursday who also wished to remain anonymous had a similar experience. A male police officer in plain clothes approached her and asked to see her ID. He threatened to arrest her if she did not cooperate. He did not ask where she had obtained her false identification, but did ask her where she was a student.

Neither student has heard from MPD or the university about the incident.

One Third Edition patron admitted to obtaining false identification from a China-based website, Id Chief, according to the DCist.

According to Starrels, Third Edition may face penalties after a hearing before the Alcoholic Beverage Regulation Administration.

Starrels said that Third Edition will most likely be punished with a suspension of its liquor license, as has occurred in the past. He added that while previous suspensions of the license have occurred on weekdays, Third Edition would most likely have its license suspended on a weekend this time around, significantly impacting business.

Starrels indicated that the establishment was at fault and any punishment will be justified.

"Obviously students were wrong to be going in there to drink, but there is a responsibility by the establishment to do what it takes to keep a young person out of there," Starrels said. "It's been suggested multiple times by the ANC that they ask for two IDs automatically."

The Office of Student Conduct, MPD, the ABRA and Third Edition could not be reached for comment.

— Hoya Staff Writer Laura Engshuber contributed to this report.

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4 comments

MSB 02
Wed Feb 16 2011 14:36
Uh, are you kidding?

Firstly, most bar raids are done under the auspices of a pseudo-government agency like the ANC and do not utilize warrants. They go in claiming they are "administrative searches or inspections" and other similar garbage.

Even if they did have a warrant, what was their legal backing for stopping individual people. "They looked under 21"? Several state courts have ruled this tactic unconstitutional.

Unless of course you agree that Hispanics in Arizona should be carded by police at every opportunity. After all, most illegal immigrants are Hispanic so better to check their IDs.

Before you cry hyperbole, how would getting (which I doubt MPD had) a warrant to search a known illegal immigrant hangout (and by known I mean hearsay) and IDing everyone be different than the Thirds raid?

Not every Hispanic is an illegal immigrant, not every "young-looking" person in a bar is under age, etc.

But too be fair, you said "obviously" under 21. Can you please provide a legally sound descripton of obviously under 21 bearing in mind things like medical conditions where people look younger due to hormonal diseases. But I guess eff them for the "greater good."

Cops with GEDs and guns are the last ones I want running in to bars all amped up. Unless you like the ones in Atlanta that were pounding Jaeger shots at a gay bar before raiding the place and its patrons.

I think Ben Franklin had a comment on safety and liberty that applies here.

Anonymous
Tue Feb 15 2011 19:43
The article never said they didn't have a warrant. And even if they didn't have a warrant, they still could have had probable cause if the people they caught looked obviously under 21.
MSB 02
Tue Feb 15 2011 18:16
Yes, I hope DC gets more money. It uses it so well. And I absolutely adore d-bags going undercover at bars and demanding IDs and threatening arrests. Takes a real man to confront a 20 and under girl.

Besides, I must have read that Consitution thing wrong because I was under the impression that entering a private buidling and demanding ID of the individuals within it required a warrant or provable evidence of a crime. Nonsense like the ANC is simply a work around. But I guess a country where police can go anywhere and harass people is a good one.

For anyone that got busted, next time just say you are an illegal immigrant and then liberals like Jen will demand the police leave you alone. Or go actually commit a real crime and the brain trust that is the MPD will be too busy intimidating college kids to do anything to you.

Jen
Tue Feb 15 2011 17:58
Having their license suspended on a weekend will impact their business, but I'd imagine the bigger impact will come from not being able to sell liquor to underage students. Certainly no student will go to Thirds with a fake now that 14 others have gotten in trouble, and Thirds will likely have to crack down on fakes at least for a while.
I hope Thirds and the underage patrons that were caught have to pay fines. D.C. could use the money.




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